Biggie involved in Tupac's death?

.: Submitted by nbrid on Sat, 2002-09-07 03:34.

Today the LA Times has yet another story on what "really happened" to Tupac Shakur six years ago. In short; hours after Tupac's bodyguards beat up a man at a Tyson fight in a Bloods-Crips fued, this man took action against Tupac. His gang, the Crips, already going to take action decided to make some money too so asked Biggie for support who gave them the gun to use.

Tupac ("west coast", Death Row Records) and Biggie/Notorious B.I.G. ("east coast", Puffy's Bad Boy family) had fueded for years, and this was just an opportunity for Biggie to finally take action against the situation. Many have suspected this for years, so it comes at no surprise. But at the same time many claimed these allegations to just be romanticizing the whole 'gansta' rap feud. So is this finally the answer?

Many say the story is short sighted and flat out wrong. The man in question was never seriously considered a suspect by the police even with the MGM Grand incident just hours before. This though lead some to theorize the police were involved in a cover-up, but the police claim witnesses were uncooperative. Biggie's girlfriend Charli Baltimore of Murder Inc. says she "knows for a fact" (whatever that means) that Biggie wasn't in Las Vegas at the time of the shooting. The director of the Biggie & Tupac documentary says it is much more complicated then this story suggests. Leaving out many details. And of course Biggie's family says it's garbage.

Do to the fact all three principle men are dead (Biggie was gunned down just six months later possibly in retaliation for Tupac's death and the Crips gang member in question, Anderson, was also killed in an "unrelated" incident a few years later) it is hard to back anything up. Will we ever know? Did Anderson set up a meeting with Crips that night after the MGM Grand incident to take action against Tupac? Did then Biggie meet with the Crips that night in Las Vegas and give them his .40-caliber Glock pistol so he could have the satisfaction of Tupac dying at the hand of his own gun in return for him giving the Crips a million dollars? Did Anderson then drive up in a Cadillac along side Suge Knight and Tupac's BMW and shoot Tupac? Did Suge Kinght order Biggie's death to retaliate? Or did maybe Suge himself order Tupac killed on fears he was leaving Death Row Records? Does it matter?

(source: Yahoo! News/AP Wire)

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Subculture SithLord (not verified): Tupac v Biggie

Sensationilist garbage. The whole article is speculation, 'maybes', 'ifs' and 'nobody knows but let's blame black rappers'. There is NO EVIDENCE AT ALL that Biggie had anything to do with Tupac's death and although Tupac was outspoken about his hatred for Biggie, Biggie never had a bad word to say about Tupac. Ever. So this article is garbage, it is only the most exciting of the many different stories realting to the incidents, most of which are untrue.

Mon, 2004-02-23 12:23

[-MJL-] (not verified): Re: Tupac v Biggie

yeh bro... i dun think biggie had anything to do wit it..

i think suge knight set pac up

Wed, 2004-02-25 00:38

411 (not verified): Re:pac's death

aight..this is what probably happened.
the car pulled up beside pac and suge.
and notice how all the bullet holes are at the bottom of the car.its because suge had that shit planned.how do u get yourself to look like u had nuthin to do with the murder?..YOU GOTTA BE IN THE CAR THAT GOT SHOT AT!.
so suges boys roll up beside pac..unload rounds towards the bottom of the car.
pac tries to jump in the back seat at which point suge unloads rounds on pac.

Sat, 2004-02-28 11:24

k .c (not verified): Re: tell me if 2pac is death or not

Please Sie ,

I need an urgent informations about Mr 2pac of american .however i want to know his death or alive please.
looking forwards to your reply soonest.

Best Regards
K C

Sat, 2004-02-28 15:24

Lil' Sizzle (not verified): Re: tell me if 2pac is death or not

Okay here's the deal. No one really knows whether tupac is dead or alive. But regardless whether the fact that he is or isn't, I think everybody should just leave it alone. No knows whether suge, biggie, or anyone had anything to do with it. Sure, their are so many conspiracies and coincidences, but if you think about it, that's all we have to go on. Their isn't much of any hardcore evidence. Like I stated before, no one knows anything. But put it this way...their is that popular saying "WHAT GOES AROUND COMES AROUND". So you can be sure that if Tupac is dead, then you can best bet that who ever killed him, will get theirs...or you never know...maybe they already got it...R.I.P Tupac and Biggie...
-Lil' Sizzle,
(Devoted Fan)

Sat, 2004-02-28 21:20

Anonymous: t pac

I think there's a couple of facts on who could of shot 2pac, If the death was a plan, If he really did die. there is so much shit out there so many answers to mystrey quetions. dre, biggie, suge, crips, bloods, other rappers, keeping the death a secret, makaveli, kuliminati, las vegas, no witnesses, police, guns, vests. friday 13, 7 mounts, 7 day theory, video releases, conspiracy, resserrection, creamated, burial, 7, jesus sayings-tupac sayings, translations, heaven, hell, death, fake, real. a couple of subjects to think about. I'll write back later to explain it all piece by piece.

Fri, 2004-02-20 19:23

Anonymous: Re: t pac

ok i wrote 625 and a way t pac could be alive is that opening quotes of thug mansion ft. nas. now one of my theoies are dre. now we know dre is a good guy hell he's great but for a person who was kick off a powerful, rich record company like deathrow would have to want revenge big time. dre started aftermath but the only way to get back at deathrow is to kill their most best rapper(tupac). when this would happen the person(dre) would feel satified even tho dre says rip to tupac but shows no compassion. now dre wasn't there that night but probaly was in on the plan. just a theory there's nothing really to follow up on it.

Sat, 2004-02-21 09:54

[-MJL-] (not verified): Re: t pac

dre killed him alrite.
i agree

Sun, 2004-02-22 17:25

Anonymous: No Subject Given

Dre did not kill nor was he involved in tupac's death. Yall are slow. And now your making me repeat myself. TUPAC NEVER WORE A BULLETPROOF VEST. EVER!!!! Every pic or video clip of him you see he has a jersey or no shirt. He always has his shirt off as a tribute to a friend that he lost when he was younger.

And by the way smart guy, A THEORY IS A COLLECTION OF PROVEN FACTS. Don't say stuff about Dre killing him is a theory. Dre being involved in Tupac's death is an idea that you have.

Tupac is long gone. Come to grips with it. He has nothing to gain by faking his death. And the reason he said RIP BIggie is b/c it was an insult. The same way Biggie said "who shot ya" in his song.

Mon, 2004-02-23 00:03

[-MJL-] (not verified): Re: t pac

so many fukin reasons tupac is alive...
cant yall see? hes is livin da life.

In his recent new album titled "2pac Greatest Hits" on one of the tracks he said "Rest in peace Biggie Smalls", wasn't these tracks recorded before the death of the Notorious B.I.G?

There are no suspects for the shooting. Press wasn't going to be allowed
at the funeral, but then the funeral was cancelled for unknown reasons.

Tupac always wore a bulletproof vest, no matter where he went. Why didn't
he wear it to a very public event like a Tyson fight?
In most of his songs
he talks about being buried, so why was he allegedly creamated the
day after he "died"?

And since when do they creamate someone the day
after death without an autopsy? Furthermore, it is illegal to bury someone who has been murdered without an autospy.

The video "I ain't Mad at Cha" was released only a few days after his death. The video shows Tupac as an angel in heaven. In the video, Tupac was shot after leaving a theater with Suge Knight.

In Richie Rich's album Seasoned Veteran, which was released on the same day as The 7 Day Theory, on the song "ni**as Done Changed" which is a duet with Tupac, Tupac says the following lyrics: "I've been shot and murdered, can't tell you how it happened word for word / but best believe that ni**a's gonna get what they deserve." This phrase implies that Tupac knows he will be dead when Richie Rich's album is released.

in the album All Eyes On Me, he says "Blast me but they didn't finish, didn't diminish my powers so now I'm back to be a muthaf**kin menace, they cowards thats why they tried to set me up, had bi**h a*s ni**as on my team so indeed they wet me up, BUT I'M BACK REINCARNATED." This implies that Tupac is reincarnated as Makaveli.

Sat, 2004-02-21 05:25

Anonymous: Re: t pac

yo nigga that's true i did here the song when he said rip biggie smalls

Sat, 2004-02-21 09:21

[-MJL-] (not verified): Re: 2pac is alive yall

Although this doesn't provide any evidence about Tupac's death, it is interesting. If you rearrange the letters of "makaveli", you get "mak alive", or make alive. Remember how Tupac spelled Machiavelli as Makaveli? Well, he is probably spelling Calumnate as Killuminati. Calumnate means to make false or slanderous statements.

Sat, 2004-02-21 05:28

Anonymous: No Subject Given

whatever anyone says tupacs dead. just like people say his records suck bad and he did want a way out. i think suge has nothin to do with it. biggie i know had somethin to do wit it just because all the shit that happened between each of them. but i dont see how everyone thinks hes still alive i mean come on. well i wish someone would please tell me who killed him CAUSE I THINK THERE A FUCKIN PUSSY.

Sat, 2004-01-31 17:32

Anonymous: Re: No Subject Given

2Pac is fuckin hott! i luv tha song Runnin & changes! I miss ya Tupac..luv ya!

Tue, 2004-02-03 23:56

Anonymous: Re: No Subject Given

WE DON'T EVEN KNOW IF 2PAC IS DEAD! I HOPE HE JUST FAKED THE WHOLE THING AND HE IS SAFE SOMEWHERE. I LUV U 2PAC XXXX

Sat, 2004-02-07 07:55

Anonymous: Re: No Subject Given

2PAC PLEASE COME BACK IF YOUR OUT THERE I REALLY MISS U. LOTS OF LUV

Sat, 2004-02-07 08:06

Anonymous: Re: No Subject Given

I'm Back sept 7

Tue, 2004-02-10 13:26

Anonymous: Re: No Subject Given

i will eat a horses cock if u come back on sept 7

Thu, 2004-02-12 07:31

Anonymous: Re: No Subject Given

shoot my beef!

Thu, 2004-02-12 10:31

Anonymous: Re: Keep it real

Why the hell would Tupac leave a life of luxury, money, and cars to go hide for a few years in some shack in Minnesota or whatever. Tupac was severely intellectual and studied the books of Machiavelli (in jail) who believed that the best way to trick your enemy's is to make them believe your dead.
Tupac is dead...you cannot call thousands of people in Las Vegas liars.
By the way...whoever said Tupac wore a bulletproof vest everywhere he went is WRONG! How many pics or vids of tupac have you seen with a vest on. That dude always had his shirt off.
Finally, Tupac did not leave the thug life b/c he was afraid of dying. This is a man who personally shot at police. I don't think he's scared of rival gangs.

Mon, 2004-02-16 15:12

Anonymous: Re: Keep it real

Listen here... I also dont know much but i know 2pac is alive... you know the band Naughty by Nature... yeah well Trech and vinnie said to me "Tupac's alive...Y'all just dont know where he's at...."
I'll take their word

Wed, 2004-02-18 23:29

G-Spot (not verified): Re: Keep it real

eat a dick fool

for sho

Tue, 2004-02-17 23:46

Anonymous: Maybe Biggie, Maybe Not

I am not real sure. First, Biggie and Tupac were once good friends. Also Tupac was enemies with Orlando Anderson who Tupac's entourage beat him up. He could have wanted to kill Tupac. Then you have Suge Knight who might have wanted to kill him because Tupac was going to leave Death Row Records. So, Biggie could have killed Tupac because they were rivals and Tupac did not like Bad Boy Records. But them there also people who could be suspects.

Thu, 2004-01-08 22:39

Anonymous: Re: Maybe Biggie, Maybe Not

I dont kno wut to believe becuz theirs like 50 different theories about what happened to tupac that night but i think suge had sumthin to do wit it 4sho i dont kno bout biggie though.

Wed, 2004-01-14 21:42

Hato_G (not verified): Re: Where is the pac

I don't know how any of u guys can think he's still alive after all these years.. I guess u never know..

He could be kickin it wit elvis in new zealand or something

I hate to say it, but he's dead...

Thu, 2004-01-15 02:48

Anonymous: Re: Where is the pac

REST IN PEACE PAC where eva u r............

Sat, 2004-01-24 16:34

Anonymous: I think this is a lie!

On the real man i'm 15teen years old and i have been hearing almost atleats 20-30 different story about the deaths between tu and big. But yes on the real i do think that suge had something to do with because tu was leaving the lable.And he scene tu was leaving the lable he didnt want pac working with no one eles. And after all the good time big and pac had even if they was beefing no big would had not want pac killed trust me i know the real deal being in the family i mean i really dont think that big had anything to do with well shall i say i know my cuz best rapper i ever knowen him and pac who no one could ever replace or ever be like ha dnothing not one thing to do with .But like they say it sht end of tyime and no one will kow the real story unless the eaither was their or done of eaither i the family .But till then remember pac and big r looking over us.

Wed, 2004-01-07 18:46

MakAlive (not verified): Give it a rest!

HE IS DEAD!

YOU CANT FAKE A DEATH THAT WELL!
IF HE WASNT DEAD, THEN PLEASE SOMEBADY PLEASE, TELL ME WHERE THE HELL HE IS!

He made references to him dying because he Knew he was going to die. He knew who had hatred toward him, and he knew what was going to happen. If you allow people to just keep telling others that he is alive, it is just going to make EVERYONE confused and start wondering.

There was a lot of stuff going on at the time, and if you ever actually listened to his albums, it makes it seem like he wanted to die. Or wanted a way out.

Another thing. He always wore a bullet-proof vest everywhere he went. Why not that night? BECAUSE HE KNEW WHAT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN!

Wed, 2003-12-24 10:34

Anonymous (not verified): TUPAC

I, LADY T, PERSONALLY I THINK IHAT SUGE
HAD TUPAC KILLED,BECAUSE HE COULDN'T CONTROL HIM, ALSO BECAUSE TUPAC WAS LEAVING DEATH ROW RECORDS,WITHOUT TUPAC
SUGE COULDN'T MAKE MONEY. SUGE HAS KILLED MY BABY. SOMEONE SHOULD BLOW HIS BRAINS OUT,DO THEY HAVE ANY ONE WITH
ENOUGH BALLS TO KILL SUGE KNIGHT?I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW. KILLED THE BASTARD.

Thu, 2003-02-13 18:45

Dontae (not verified): Re: TUPAC

Who is your baby

Sat, 2003-10-11 17:02

Anonymous: Re: TUPAC

tupac is my baby duh

Sun, 2003-12-14 04:32

THE TRUTH (not verified): Re: TUPAC

FIRST OFF SUGE DID NOT SET HIM UP. AND IF, IF HE DID U THINK HE WOULD PUT HIS FAT ASS IN THE CAR KNOWING THERE WERE GOING TO BE LIKE 10 FUKING ROUNDS, LEAVING HOLES ALL OVER THAT CAR THAT HIS ASS WOULD OF MADE IT UNHARM. LOOK, SOMEBODY WAS PRAYING FOR THAT FOOL. DON'T GET IT TWISTED I MEAN U MIGHT BE HALF RIGHT BUT .. LET ME PUT IT THIS WAY IF I WANT U DEAD I WOULD NOT PUT MY ASS IN THE LINE OF FIRE... I'VE SEEN ALL THE MOVIES , READ ALL THE BOOK'S I KNOW THERE WAS A BIG CONSPIRACY BEHIND IT BUT WHO IS TO SAY WHAT REALLY HAPPEN.
AS FAR AS TUPAC BEING ALIVE GET REAL I USE TO BELIEVE THAT AT ONE TIME, BUT THEN I CAME TO GRIPS WITH REALITY.. I MEAN COME ON HAVE U HEARD ALL OF PAC'S LATEST CD'S AFTER MAKAVELI.. THEY FUKIN SUCK.. (BIG 2PAC FAN).. ANOTHER THEORY .. USE YOUR HEAD.. IF YOUR MAKING ALL THAT MILLIONS WHY IN THE FUK WOULD U FAKE A DEATH AND MISS OUT ON ALL THAT MONEY .. PLUS DO U HONESTLY THINK THAT IF HE DID THAT EVERY ONE WOULD STILL GIVE A FUK ABOUT HIM.. IN PRISON THERE'S A QUOTE(OUT OF SIGHT ,OUT OF MIND) IN THE REAL WORLD (ONCE UR OUT STAY THE FUK OUT IF U KNOW WHAT'S GOOD FOR U......
THE BIG ISSUE......HIS FAT ASS IS DEAD TOO... IF NOT I WOULD HAVE SEEN HIS ASS AT AN ALL U CAN EAT STEAK HOUSE U FEEL ME ,.... MAN YA'LL FANS IS GOING TO BE MAD, BUT I DONT GIVE A FUK I SPEAK WHAT I FEEL THE ONLY REASON WHY YA'LL LOVE PAC IS BECAUSE YA'LL WANNA BE LIKE HIM ... HE DID NOT COME FROM NO COURTS OR WHATEVEA BECAUSE IF HE DID, WE WOULD OF ROBBED HIS BITCH ASS....SAN ANTO BRADY'S REP...ON THIS LAST NOTE ...TUPAC WAS A BITCH.. I MEAN HE EVEN QUOTED IN HIS OWN WORDS THAT HE WASNT GOING TO DO ANYTHING TO THEM FOOLS THAT TRIED TO BLOW HIS FUKING HEAD OFF... STRAIGHT BITCH...IF U WANT MY OPINION.. BIG WAS A FAT PUSSY I HEARD HE WAS SELLIN SOME BUNK ASS CRACK AND IT WAS EITHER HE GET POPPED OR GET SHOT .. HE CHOSE GET POP....AND TO THE BITCH THAT SAID TUPAC WAS HER BABY ..OKAY WE ALL KNOW THAT BUT WHO IS THE BABIES DADDY'S......LAUGH AT THAT U BITCHES......

Wed, 2003-12-17 04:29

No.1 Tupac Fan (not verified): Re: TUPAC

i might sound like all the people posting here, but i truly beleive that tupac is alive, after tupac signed a deal with death row records he gave a speech saying "i signed a deal with death row records and it will last" (something like that) this would give no reason for any1 in death row records 2 kill tupac, but maybe 2 fake a death and of course make a load of dosh. and if tupac is alive, he will be pulling in the dosh off the songs, still having a deal with death row records.
well thats my opinion, im pretty damn sure he is alive, if ur not alive tupac, rest in peace, u was the best rapper of all time!

Mon, 2003-12-22 15:43

Anonymous: Re: TUPAC

true dat true dat man i totaly argree wit u

Fri, 2004-01-02 02:50

DrEaD (not verified): Re: Tupac's death.

Read the police report:http://www.pac-world.com/OCPRP.html
Read the coroner report:http://www.pac-world.com/Coroner.html
Pictures Tupac before death and of the car after death:http://www.pac-world.com/Deathpictures.html
I'm not sure if he died or not. The Tupac Shakur consipiracy stands strong and so does the police report. But if he did die it was probably by Baby Lane(Orlando Anderson).

Mon, 2003-11-10 04:55

Anonymous: Re: Tupac's death.

tupac is not dead

Fri, 2003-11-14 21:35

Anonymous: Re: Tupac's death.

no1 noes if tupac is dead all i noe suge knight and biggie had the whole fuckin thing planned out and then he killed biggie

Mon, 2004-02-09 17:34

Anonymous: Re: the way it is

pac is alive and well, he and suge knew they had the means to pull off the ultimate heist, against pac's enemies, against the cops, against all of the world, suge and pac and many people in their crew are set for life cuz pac is the hardest muthafucka in the game, he told it like it was. Everyone who thoguht he was fake thug were just afraid because they couldn't run the game like pac showed he could do, suge got him out of danger, he got himself out of it, and he is carrying on worry-free while now making everyone realize that the game is wack and the real deal is doing good things for the people, allll people, the game thuggin was the 90's the new millineum is when people need to change,.,.,.listen to his words, he's not about hurtin and killing, he only was when he had to be, and the night in vegas was an act he's a siiic actor and he is around radiatiing positivity while still releasing music.....think about the autopsy picture is fake, the coronoers are still receiving money, they know they can be killed and why would they want to give up being rich? l-i-s-t-e-n t-o t-h-e w-o-r-d-s it all makes sense if you slow down and put it together peace

Fri, 2003-11-21 19:08

Anonymous: Re: the way it is

dunno...the picture looks real to me...
http://www.celebritymorgue.com/tupac-shakur/

Thu, 2003-12-04 23:03

CoCo Chanel (not verified): Re: TUPAC

I 4sho agree with Lady T on Blow Suge's brains out cause the shit he did is so fucking crazy well i'll holla back.

Wed, 2003-02-19 11:10

MIC FINESSE (not verified): Re: TUPAC

YO LADY T, BIGGUP 4 REAL. I KNOW I'M LATE AND ALL BUT I'VE SEEN THE MOVIE AND THAT SHIT OPENS YOUR EYES. SUGE IS GONNA GET HIS NO DOUBT. AND IF HE IS ALIVE:SUGE IS GONNA GET HIS. NOT TO QUOTE JA RULE B/C HE NEEDS TO STOP FRONTIN' TOO. BUT WHAT DO YOU DO WHEN A NIGGA SPITS AT YOU? CLAPBACK. AND WE SURE WILL. HOLLA AT YA BOY ONE.
P.S.: BIGGIE AIN'T HAVE SHIT TO DO WITH IT SUGE KILLED HIM TOO.

Tue, 2004-01-06 17:14

Anonymous: Re: TUPAC

Listen to y;all them niggers are dead they will always be...what gets me is half the way you ppl write god damn dont you know how to spell you n your bad dis and dat and pac words dumb niggers half you niggers are white grow the fuck up ass holes....hes dead dead dead dead dead

Sat, 2003-10-11 13:14

Anonymous: Re: TUPAC

You're an idiot. Honestly, just...you're fucking retarded. I'm ashamed that you're a human being. Ashamed for our species and for yourself as well.

Sun, 2003-11-23 03:28

Anonymous: Re: TUPAC

this aint where we dis on eachother this is where we show some opinion for pac.. so some respect and grow up yo tupac is alive.. he'll be back and ill be waitin hes my baby i love him so much

Sun, 2003-12-14 04:29

Anonymous: Re: TUPAC

man fuck u Anonymous talk shit on the net but can u talk shit in ma face bicth
anyways pac is the best raper out right to this day suge had my boy killed because pac was about to leave Death Row
and all yall fans of 2pac go show his family some love and go pick up his New Album on Nov,14 2003 and go see the movie i got so muck love 4 ya pac and back to Anonymous u bicth fuck u if i ever see u man ill hurt u white red neck hunky baster BLACK POWER 4 life ill allways love pac allways fuck suge i hate u some one kill suge who u gone kill next try to kill me it will never happen nigga 7mille dogs Detroit fa life.

Thu, 2003-11-06 18:52

Anonymous: Re: TUPAC

shut your mouth you little bitch ass niga. tupac is alive and your speaking to much shit about me"suge", me and tupac faked the death so that he could leave the spotlight. and you think i won't kill you, if you keep runnin yo mouth on me ya best consida it done niga.

Mon, 2003-12-29 04:07

Anonymous: Re: Attention idiots

Junior, you're showing as Anonymous as well. It's not some crazy inatrweb handle, that's what you get when you don't put a name in.

Sun, 2003-11-23 03:25

Anonymous: Re: Your Last Comment

IF I Ever Meet your racist punk ass I am going to take a knife and cut you a new ass hole BITCH

Fri, 2003-10-31 04:27

Anonymous: Re: TUPAC

i agree wit u bro

Wed, 2003-10-22 10:21

CHERYL A WASHINGTON (not verified): Re: TUPAC

I, CHERYL A WASHINGTON AGREES WITH LADY
T, SOMEONE SHOULD BLOW SUGE KNIGHT BRAINS OUT, BECAUSE HE'S NOT A TRUSTWORTHY FRIEND, WITH A FRIEND LIKE
HIM NO ONE NEEDS A ENEMY.I TRULY LOVE TUPAC'S MUSIC, HE WAS A GIFT TO HIS MOTHER AND TO THE WORLD,HIS MUSIC WILL LIVE ON AND ON. "FAT"

Thu, 2003-02-13 18:52

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